You underestimate the will of the people. There will always be someone who's willing to fight the bad guy.
[To that he still has the outmost faith in, despite being a more extreme version of the original. Flynn might not be in this world, but he's sure someone like him will always exist.
He narrows his eyes at the second statement, as if taking it as a challenge.]
And what do you think you deserve? Maybe it's something I could do, instead.
I never underestimate anyone, though how could anyone forget the heroics of people? As if justifying murder from a heroic point of view is anything but murder.
[There was no good guy or bad guy, just people who were making their way through various situations by pandering to a perception of moral high ground. In the end, everyone was just a monster with a smile on their face.
He looked at the other man, considering for a long moment. Then he stepped closer, leaning in as if he was going to share a secret.]
I deserve the laundry list of my crimes to be laid bare. I deserve to be judged based on everything I've done, and once that's done, I deserve to powerless again. I need that reminder that I came from nothing, that I will leave this world as nothing, and no one will remember me for long.
[Yuri shrugs, having heard the argument a thousand times already.]
Oh don't worry, it would be part of the due process. "Everyone must be punished in accordance with the laws" and all that. A slow death in prison, rather than straight up murdering someone. That sound better to you?
[It doesn't, in Yuri's eyes. It's too long of a process, too easily exploited by the rich and those in power. But at least it's something he doesn't mind facing.
He listens intently at the other man, albeit with eyebrows raised.]
An assassination of your public image, then? That sounds appropriate - although not exactly feasible at the moment, with the network being down. But a simple confession of your crimes to be broadcasted later should do the trick.
As for the rest...well. That's easy enough. [He pats at his old friend, the sword.] Threaten everyone he knows to cut ties, and promise consequences to those that do not. It won't completely rid you of your power, but it's a start.
Please, laws are biased and even more biasedly applied to lower classes. How do you plan on getting around that? [He smirked.] When death isn't permanent, a slow death in a cement box seems far more of an actual punishment. But! There are risks with that because for those that aren't broken with such treatment, you create a bigger long-term problem.
[He withdrew after he had finished speaking, folding his hands behind his back and clasping one wrist in the hand of the other.]
Well, this place is nothing but disappointing, isn't it? I detest confessions; they are a paltry attempt at what the true breadth of facts actually are.
[He had considered the suggestion, of course. He had come into existence knowing what had to be done, but it was the work to do so in the time that he had. Perhaps with assistance...]
Indeed, and the only big obstacle has left town. I expect he knows I am here. Does yours?
Of course it is. The laws have always been the tools of whoever happens to hold all the chips. Which why things need to change.
[Yuri frowns — to be frank, nothing about long-term punishments and lasting solutions matches what he can do. It’s why he preferred murder over anything else: it’s quick, straight-forward, and solves the problem efficiently. It’s not perfect, but it’s something he could do. And best of all, it stops there from more victims showing.
Perhaps that is the one thing they have in common: the knowledge that one day they must pay for their actions, and so they must do what they must until their time is up.]
Mine is hunting me down. [Yuri scoffs, a lazy smirk upon his face.] He doesn’t want to admit that I represent the cleanest solution that he knows. I am here to prove him wrong.
Indeed. Laws are to organize the chaos of nature, but they are a means of control as well. Convince enough people they are for their own good, and you have a flock of sheep with a few outliers who buck the trends.
[Silco didn't prefer murder, but he was certainly not above it. He used it strategically in order to forward his own agenda, remove obstacles or to make a point to those around him. People had to fear in order to respect as a whole, though a few had to be close enough to provide honest oversight and opinions otherwise he couldn't do his job at its best.
He completely believed that he had to pay, that what he had paid was not enough because he continued to thrive despite the challenges. He needed to kiss the dirt, to lose everything, to face that choice again in order to course correct.]
But you'll make him see the error of that idea, I imagine. [It seemed that they wouldn't be alone for long then. Now they simply had to set the stage for their own mutual benefit.] He will come slow and certain, like the slow knife in the dark, and he will seek control of both conversation and situation. No doubt he'll goad you over me, so perhaps we should accomplish our tasks as a team effort?
What we need is a world free of laws. A place where everyone is free to do what they want. Control should only belong to themselves, and nobody else.
[A world that can make people smile, he once swore. And even now he believes in that world — even though he has to carve it out with blood. He can use fear to direct all of the sins towards him, to make sure nobody nefarious dares to do anything ever again. He can become the phantom he swears to destroy if he must.
This is just another step to pursuing that dream. If someone is here lending him a hand, why would he not accept it?]
That is exactly what he will try to do. Convince me that others deserve a second chance, or that murder shouldn’t be the only solution. Ha! [Yuri’s face twists to that of mockery.] As if that’s not the only solution he knows to do.
But you know? I do like how you think. So before he gets here, mind telling me what plan you have in mind?
Ah, so you believe in pandemonium by freedom. I think you would rather enjoy my city if that's the case. People will always try to step on each other; it's human nature to do so.
[He had grown up with the dark side of humanity, and while Zaun was lawless, there were still unspoken rules that had nothing to do with their overlords. Control was necessary for any society to function, but he wasn't about to dissuade this one until he could envision what 'lawless' society would actually look like.
Until that time where they might maneuver around each other, they did have to prepare for what would be coming. It was only good business to make appropriate alliance for that task.
He lightly stroked his chin as he considered.]
Perhaps certain people, but not everyone. And what manner of solution do you think he will try to convince you will be a viable alternate? Something neither of us will agree with no doubt. [He expected that they would have to push the alternate into a corner and force him to accept the proper narrative.
[He curled his arms behind his back as he considered his formulating plan of attack. Outsmarting himself was an interesting task, but with someone else? It could be the ace in the hole.]
The plan is to play nice, play passive, let him believe he has the win out of the gate. We are to be agreeable and I expect to nudge him toward admitting just how much crime we have committed.
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[To that he still has the outmost faith in, despite being a more extreme version of the original. Flynn might not be in this world, but he's sure someone like him will always exist.
He narrows his eyes at the second statement, as if taking it as a challenge.]
And what do you think you deserve? Maybe it's something I could do, instead.
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[There was no good guy or bad guy, just people who were making their way through various situations by pandering to a perception of moral high ground. In the end, everyone was just a monster with a smile on their face.
He looked at the other man, considering for a long moment. Then he stepped closer, leaning in as if he was going to share a secret.]
I deserve the laundry list of my crimes to be laid bare. I deserve to be judged based on everything I've done, and once that's done, I deserve to powerless again. I need that reminder that I came from nothing, that I will leave this world as nothing, and no one will remember me for long.
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Oh don't worry, it would be part of the due process. "Everyone must be punished in accordance with the laws" and all that. A slow death in prison, rather than straight up murdering someone. That sound better to you?
[It doesn't, in Yuri's eyes. It's too long of a process, too easily exploited by the rich and those in power. But at least it's something he doesn't mind facing.
He listens intently at the other man, albeit with eyebrows raised.]
An assassination of your public image, then? That sounds appropriate - although not exactly feasible at the moment, with the network being down. But a simple confession of your crimes to be broadcasted later should do the trick.
As for the rest...well. That's easy enough. [He pats at his old friend, the sword.] Threaten everyone he knows to cut ties, and promise consequences to those that do not. It won't completely rid you of your power, but it's a start.
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[He withdrew after he had finished speaking, folding his hands behind his back and clasping one wrist in the hand of the other.]
Well, this place is nothing but disappointing, isn't it? I detest confessions; they are a paltry attempt at what the true breadth of facts actually are.
[He had considered the suggestion, of course. He had come into existence knowing what had to be done, but it was the work to do so in the time that he had. Perhaps with assistance...]
Indeed, and the only big obstacle has left town. I expect he knows I am here. Does yours?
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[Yuri frowns — to be frank, nothing about long-term punishments and lasting solutions matches what he can do. It’s why he preferred murder over anything else: it’s quick, straight-forward, and solves the problem efficiently. It’s not perfect, but it’s something he could do. And best of all, it stops there from more victims showing.
Perhaps that is the one thing they have in common: the knowledge that one day they must pay for their actions, and so they must do what they must until their time is up.]
Mine is hunting me down. [Yuri scoffs, a lazy smirk upon his face.] He doesn’t want to admit that I represent the cleanest solution that he knows. I am here to prove him wrong.
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[Silco didn't prefer murder, but he was certainly not above it. He used it strategically in order to forward his own agenda, remove obstacles or to make a point to those around him. People had to fear in order to respect as a whole, though a few had to be close enough to provide honest oversight and opinions otherwise he couldn't do his job at its best.
He completely believed that he had to pay, that what he had paid was not enough because he continued to thrive despite the challenges. He needed to kiss the dirt, to lose everything, to face that choice again in order to course correct.]
But you'll make him see the error of that idea, I imagine. [It seemed that they wouldn't be alone for long then. Now they simply had to set the stage for their own mutual benefit.] He will come slow and certain, like the slow knife in the dark, and he will seek control of both conversation and situation. No doubt he'll goad you over me, so perhaps we should accomplish our tasks as a team effort?
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[A world that can make people smile, he once swore. And even now he believes in that world — even though he has to carve it out with blood. He can use fear to direct all of the sins towards him, to make sure nobody nefarious dares to do anything ever again. He can become the phantom he swears to destroy if he must.
This is just another step to pursuing that dream. If someone is here lending him a hand, why would he not accept it?]
That is exactly what he will try to do. Convince me that others deserve a second chance, or that murder shouldn’t be the only solution. Ha! [Yuri’s face twists to that of mockery.] As if that’s not the only solution he knows to do.
But you know? I do like how you think. So before he gets here, mind telling me what plan you have in mind?
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[He had grown up with the dark side of humanity, and while Zaun was lawless, there were still unspoken rules that had nothing to do with their overlords. Control was necessary for any society to function, but he wasn't about to dissuade this one until he could envision what 'lawless' society would actually look like.
Until that time where they might maneuver around each other, they did have to prepare for what would be coming. It was only good business to make appropriate alliance for that task.
He lightly stroked his chin as he considered.]
Perhaps certain people, but not everyone. And what manner of solution do you think he will try to convince you will be a viable alternate? Something neither of us will agree with no doubt. [He expected that they would have to push the alternate into a corner and force him to accept the proper narrative.
[He curled his arms behind his back as he considered his formulating plan of attack. Outsmarting himself was an interesting task, but with someone else? It could be the ace in the hole.]
The plan is to play nice, play passive, let him believe he has the win out of the gate. We are to be agreeable and I expect to nudge him toward admitting just how much crime we have committed.